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Parking Board Minutes and Agendas - 2000

Agenda

Parking Board Meeting
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 @ 3:00 p.m.
Public Safety Conference Room

Old Business

I. Abandoned Vehicle Policy

II. Regulating Bikes On Campus

III. Senior Health Clinic Parking

IV. Raising Permit Fees

V. Towing Vehicles From Campus Housing Residents - Approved.

VI. Parking In R04 By Industrial Crafts

New Business

I. Gypsy Willis - Parking Issue

II Ron Bingli - Bus Service On Campus

III Parking at Rhodes Bldg. & Heat Plant

IV Notice of Parking Fines - Chris Loether

V Removal of Parking Meters at 8th St. Meters

Parking Board Meeting

Wednesday, January 12, 2000

Members Present at the Meeting

Christy Lauer, Chairperson & COPE Member
Jeff Evans, CEC Member
Jenny Xiang, Academic Faculty Member
Chris Loether, Visitor
Gypsy Willis, Visitor
Scott Campbell, Visitor

Non-Members Present at Meeting

Stephen Chatterton, Director Public Safety
Terrilee Hancock, Parking/Security Supervisor
Carol Prescott, Public Safety (taking minutes)
Linda Tobias, ISU Public Safety

The meeting was called to order at 3:20 p.m.

We did not have a quorum. It was decided Ms. Willis would come back to the next meeting so a decision could be made on her issue then. We did have Chris Loether speak on his issue.

Chris Loether is a faculty member from the Anthropology Department. He received a ticket the other day, and discovered her had two other tickets from 1998, which he did not know about at the time. Someone had borrowed his car and gotten the tickets. He never received them, or knew anything about these. He stated that in Los Angeles, where he grew up and lived for 30 years, and attended UCLA, they always mailed the tickets to you, rather than putting them on your car.

He thought maybe one way, he asked for information on outstanding fines we have for faculty and staff. He was originally told $50,000, but the correct figure is $75,000. He was wondering, the Library has a system where they send you something when you have a book overdue. He felt the University could make a lot of money if we had some system. Apparently students are informed every semester of their outstanding fines when they go to register. Whereas faculty and staff have no system like that. If we could somehow notify them and get some of these tickets collected, maybe we could have something where they are not allowed to buy another permit. It was explained to Mr. Loether that the Parking Office runs a report where all the faculty/staff who have fines get a letter before they can get their permit. Chris stated people like me who donít ever buy permits never get notification. Chris suggested emailing people who have tickets. It may not be possible to link a database with email. We will talk to our analyst, Katie Link, to see if itís possible to make a merge file, or what we can do. One report covers just faculty/staff, one covers students, the Accounts Receivable report covers everybody (identified) for one year. We will check with Katie regarding writing some kind of program. In other words, we have procedures in place to notify people with fines, who have been identified. We do not have a system in place for vehicles that are unidentified, if their fines are under $50.00. We need something set up for this. Steve said we will try to get something together for the next meeting. Another issue Chris brought up that some people brought up at the Faculty/Senate was that any moving violations that are issued by our office, do not need to be paid at all, because they are not reported to the Police or the county. Steve stated itís true we do not report these to the City or County, but they are on record at our office. Itís the same as a parking violation, and they do need to pay them. All Moving Violations are $25.00. They are handled exactly like parking citations for our records.

Chris will come to the next meeting to see what weíve come up with.

Christy then told Ms. Willis would hear her case, but no decision could be made as we did not have a quorum. It was decided we would try to have another Parking Advisory Board meeting next Tuesday at 3:00 p.m. Christy stated she would call ASISU and try to get the student representatives at the next meeting, and make sure they assign a Vo-Tech student to the board. So the next meeting was set for January 18, 2000 at 3:00 p.m. in the Public Safety Conference Room. We will use the same agenda.

Scott Campbell then spoke regarding Indiscriminate travel and parking by university and non-university vehicles on walkways. Scott stated that yesterday he met with the Safety Committee on this issue. We would like to restrict access to the quad and various other areas on campus where we have a lot of pedestrian traffic. The consequence of that will be a need to have more reliable parking at the perimeter of campus that service vehicles can have access to. We do have service/maintenance vehicle parking, unloading zones, and those kinds of things. They have a reasonable amount of availability and if a student wants to violate it they do, they donít think twice about it. One of the things Scott was contemplating was how we get people to obey, or at least work with us on this. The solution he came up with was the idea of a graduated fine system, and the areas that are most critical would have a higher fine schedule. If we make it high enough it will be too painful for them to park in those areas. That then will leave them open for people who need them, such as maintenance, construction, vendor, etc. In light of the bigger context, in order to make our parking work on campus, and in order to make it safer for our students, there are certain concessions and compromises that need to be made, and then thereís always the issue of how do we enforce it.

We already write tickets, but in light of the discussion earlier, that does not seem to be working. Scott would like to have some discussion about the idea, is it possible to consider something like this, and if it is, do you want some recommendations on which areas Scott would like to consider for a higher fine, and then we can go from there.

Terrilee stated that some universities sheís been to, Utah in particular, they have those kinds of spaces signed with little tow truck signs, and they are tow away zones. They get no warning, no nothing, they are towed. Jeff Evans thought that was a good idea, it would only take one of them, then you would have to pay it. It was stated you would have to restrict the Official Business Passes from parking in these areas too. Absolutely no one should park there but the right vehicle. Scott stated it was really important for maintenance vehicles, as we want to make sure they can maintain our buildings in such a way, so they are suitable for our students to be in. We are going to exclude them from just driving on campus, they will be able to park and walk to the building, or park and haul stuff to the building in order to keep our sidewalks as free from vehicles as possible. Unless itís something big and heavy. Then they will need to get permission to be there. However, that should be very seldom. In order for us to maintain the campus, we need to give our maintenance people, and vendors, etc. an opportunity to at least park within a reasonable distance. We just need to ensure our maintenance people arenít driving around parking lots waiting for a space to come open. It was stated that there are times when Telecommunications needs to load or unload computers, printers etc. Christy asked could the park in spaces that are maintenance only. We would tie it in such a way that those vehicles that have university stickers on them can park there. It was asked if the would require taking additional spaces out of lots. Scott stated that would be the worse case scenario. We may have to have some more spaces. The overall issue is re-evaluating the fee and fine structure of all violations, and try to keep the spaces we do have open. Steve will try to have information on that for members at the next meeting. Scott will develop a map that shows the key areas that will be impacted.

Steve stated that this ties in with the issue of parking in R04 and the T&T Building. Steve talked to the entities that utilize that area. The Library feel they really need to have at least 2 spaces there, Mark (Telecom) feels he absolutely has to have at least 1, heíd prefer more, but feels he really needs to have at least 1. Then maintenance vehicles have 1. That leaves 3 left over. If we move the Graphic Arts there, thatís 2 more spaces. That really only leaves us 1 space there. Steve felt we ought to give that additional space to Graphic Arts. Then we change the Graphic Arts spaces in R04 to R04 spaces (2). Jeff said they had 2 vendors servicing machines, then they had people coming to pick up jobs parking on the sidewalk. Christy felt we should just leave it for service vehicles only. Issue was tabled until next meeting for more input.

Christy asked if weíd heard from Bobbi Branch. Carol Prescott said she had called. Bobbi was supposed to send a memo on what she wanted, but there has been no response. We did take one spot away, and she still has two. Until a response is received from Bobbie Branch, or if we get any more complaints we will then revisit this issue.

Meeting was adjourned.

Agenda

Parking Board Meeting January 18, 2000 @ 3:00p.m. Public Safety Conference Room

Old Business

No Old Business was discussed.

New Business

I. Gypsy Willis w/Parking Issue

II. Bus Service On Campus

III. Regulating Parking at The Rhodes Bldg. & Grounds Bldg.

IV. Notice of Parking Fines

V. Removal of Parking Meters at 8th Street

VI. Parking on Campus Sidewalks

Parking Board Meeting

Tuesday, January 18, 2000

Members Present at the Meeting

Christy Lauer, Chairperson & COPE Member
Jeff Evans, CEC Member
Jenny Xiang, Academic Faculty Member
Scott Moran, Grad Student Member
Cameron Homer, Academic Student Member

Non-Members Present at Meeting

Stephen Chatterton, Director Public Safety
Terrilee Hancock, Parking/Security Supervisor
Carol Prescott, Public Safety (taking minutes)
Linda Tobias, Public Safety
Gypsy Willis, Visitor

The meeting was called to order at 3:00 p.m.

New Business

I. Gypsy Willis - Parking Issue

First order of business was to hear Gypsy Willis speak regarding the towing of her vehicle for parking citations. Ms. Willis stated that last semester she did not buy a parking permit, and incurred a lot of fines. She had her vehicle towed, and came in and paid on her fines. She asked if there was a temporary permit of any kind that she could purchase. Ms. Willis was issued a temporary General Lot permit for the rest of the semester. Ms. Willis said the young lady in the Parking Office asked if she wanted to set up a Repayment schedule. Ms. Willis said she asked if it would be ok to pay her fines at the end of the semester. Ms. Willis said the young lady in the office said that would be ok. On December 6, her car once towed once again. Ms. Willis stated she came into speak to Mrs. Prescott (this was on December 9). Ms. Willis said she told Mrs. Prescott she had the general permit, and she could not afford to pay the tow truck, would I take off the $40 for the tow truck in fines. Ms. Willis stated Ms. Prescott refused to take off the tow payment in fines, because she did not have a Repayment Agreement. It was noted that on December 6, she was towed out of a general lot, for which she had a permit. Ms. Willis was told she would need to speak to Terrilee Hancock, and that Ms. Hancock would be in around 3:30p.m. Ms. Willis stated she went to her classes, and when she came out between 3:00 and 3:30 p.m. she said her car had been towed again. Ms. Willis stated she was here to appeal the 2nd and 3rd tows. A deal was made through Ms. Hancock on the tow of 12/9/99 that ISU Public Safety would pay the tow for now, and it would be dealt with through the appeal. Ms. Willis was appealing the tows of 12/6 & 12/9.

She was towed on 12/6/99 as she still had fines over $50.00. She was towed because of the fine level, not because she did not have a tag. Ms. Willis felt she had done everything she needed to do to keep her vehicle from being towed. It was noted that the Public Safety office does not accept verbal agreements. Payment Agreements must be in writing. We also donít normally issue a permit, unless they pay the fines or complete a Payment Agreement.

On 12/9/99 Ms. Prescott did stress that she needed to do the Payment Agreement to keep from getting towed, but that she needed to talk to Terrilee about taking care of the tow. Ms. Willis was also told that a letter was sent to her regarding these fines. She stated she never received the letter, so a copy of the letter was given to Ms. Willis on 12/9/99. She said she did not even look at the letter. She just went on to class. This office did not know where she was parked until one of the ticket writers called the plate in. It was decided by Public Safety management to tow the vehicle on 12/9/99. She felt she should not have been towed on 12/9/99 because she had stated she would come into see Terrilee at 3:30 that same day. She wanted to talk to her about applying the $40 tow to her fines. Ms. Willis did not want to fill out the agreement then, as she was late for class.

Mr. Evans stated maybe she really should not have parked in the general lot, since she had the fines, until she had something more concrete. He felt she should have made the effort to clarify where she could park, at this time.

It was noted that the decision to tow is not made by Ms. Prescott. Dispatch gives it to Public Safety management for approval. Ms. Prescott, did speak to them about her coming in later that day. The decision was still made to tow.

No appointment was made for Ms. Willis to see Terrilee. We were expected to go by her word that she would be coming in. Mr. Chatterton stated that lots of people say they are going to come in, but then donít.

Christy Lauer asked Ms. Willis if she understood after she left with the letter, if she understood what the tow letter said, and that she was still liable to be towed, because her fines were over the $50.00. Ms. Willis said she only glanced at the letter, but did not read it. She said she was in a hurry to get to class.

Mr. Morgan felt Ms. Willis was making an effort to take care of this problem by coming in to the office on 12/9/99 to talk to Ms. Hancock. Ms. Lauer questioned whether we made it clear enough to her that she might be towed again on 12/9/99.

Scott Morgan made the motion to let the tow of 12/9/99 stand as paid by Public Safety, and apply half the amount of the tow on 12/6/99 to Ms. Willis citations ($20.00). Cameron Homer 2nded the motion. Motion passed.

II Bus Service On Campus

Mr. Binggeli was not able to attend. This issue will be discussed at the next regular meeting.

III Regulating Parking at Rhodes Bldg & Grounds Bldg.

Steve Chatterton explained the Rhodes Bldg. is now our property, and there will be employees parking down there, and they will be utilizing the parking lot. The Grounds Bldg. is back by the fueling station, the streets back there are city streets. We have ISU employees park along the road, and we have some that are parking on ISU property by the new Grounds Bldg. The question is, at this point in time, are we going to regulate all of this other ISU property, and make it a general lot? The cemetery has no parking along their side of the street, but the rest of the road is open for parking. Do we want to regulate these lots? Where do we want to draw the line?

We have some employees stating they have to buy permits, and those at these other locations are not being required to buy a permit, and right next to their buildings.

Diesel Bldg. has about six spaces (not a very big lot). One issue we have is that they have to come up to RFC during the day, and now have bus service (for free) that picks them up and brings them to campus, so they are not required to buy a permit.

Jeff Evans stated he sees a problem when Diesel comes up here. He felt any lots on or around campus should be general or regulated. Scott Morgan stated it should be a true parking lot, you want them to be able to park somewhere thatís safe for their vehicles to be if we are going to charge them for parking there. Christy asked if the area by Grounds was paved. Steve stated it was not, itís graveled and grated, but it will be paved by the end of this summer.

It was noted that anyone working at Holt gets the use of the Free Parking area there. However, if they want to park in any other part of Holt, they are required to have a permit. Scott said that free area is a good thing. Itís not really a prime area, say like being by the BA bldg would be. Scott said maybe we could hold off on making them regulated parking areas until they are paved. It was felt with the Diesel Bldg. the only ones who might complain are the instructors, as they are the ones who park there, most of the students park on the road. This would also mean including other areas considered part of ISU, such as Law Enforcement, the Research Park, etc.

The free parking at Holt is to encourage students to park up there and use the bus, so it doesnít impact the parking down here. It is not a high use area, which most parking down on lower campus is. However, should we regulate places far off campus too? Is Diesel worth it with only six spaces. Grounds does have quite a few (20-30). Rhodes has quite a few spaces, and it is not really to far off campus, only a block further than the Whittier Lot (G03). That would be good for student parking.

It was decided that a decision did not need to be made on this issue yet. The Rhodes Bldg. is still being remodeled. We will discuss it at the next meeting.

IV Notice of Parking Fines

This issue was tabled for the next regular meeting.

V Removal Of Parking Meters @ 8th St.

Steve Chatterton stated that the Safety Committee is asking that we take the meters out. There are six meter spaces that face 8th St. They are concerned about the traffic congestion in there with the buses. Four spaces have been designated for the Outdoor Program for loading/unloading canoes and other equipment, so this would not impact them. We redesigned that area about three years ago, and we took about five spaces away then. Now, the Safety Committee is concerned that those spaces that currently exist are still too dangerous. Their recommendation was that we take those out, and just put in two parallel parking spaces in there. Christy noted that if you park in the Administration lot, thatís the only way to leave that lot. If you park in that lower lot, and if that bus is there, and those cars are parked in those spots, itís very difficult to maneuver, and see around. Steve stated it was designed that way. People get stuck behind the bus, and this frustrates them, so there are some who will go out the entrance. The Safety Committee feels this is a safety issue. If people go up and cut the bus off, then they delay the bus route, and the more delay we have on the bus route, the less we can service the students. It was noted that if we take those meters out it will just make it easier for people to cut the bus off.

Steve stated the Safety Committee wanted us to take them out and try it for awhile. But Steve said he wanted concurrence from the Parking Board first. Steve stated he mentioned to the Safety Committee that if you take those meters out, it will make it easier for people to cut the buses off.

The Board members decided they will go out and take a look at this area, and come back to the next meeting to discuss this issue further.

VI Parking on Campus Sidewalks

This is the issue Scott Campbell brought to the Board last week. A request was made to keep people from parking on the sidewalks, and to use loading/unloading zones more. Maybe perhaps designating more parking spaces for maintenance/operations vehicles and loading/unloading zones.

Other options will be to make the cost of the violation high, or making them tow away zones, in order to free up these sidewalk areas. Scott is supposed to come back with a map showing the areas they are most concerned about. This should be presented at the February meeting.

Christy Lauer asked the other members if Tuesdays were a better day. Most members agreed. Therefore, the next meeting will be scheduled for the 1st or 2nd Tuesday of the month. Meeting was adjourned.

Agenda

Parking Board Meeting
Tuesday, February 8, 2000 @ 3:00 p.m.
Public Safety Conference Room

Old Business

I. Abandoned Vehicle Policy

II. Regulating Bikes On Campus

III. Raising Permit Fees

IV. Bus Service On Campus

V. Parking In R04 - Tabled until next meeting

VI. Removing Parking From 8th St. Meters

VII. Parking On Campus Sidewalks

VIII. Towing Vehicles From Housing Residents When Fines Are Over $50

IX. Regulating Parking At Rhodes Bldg. & Grounds

New Business

I. Parking Space In Education Bldgs. - Visitor Parking for KISU Vehicle

Parking Board Meeting

Tuesday, February 8, 2000

Members Present at the Meeting

Jeff Evans, Acting Chair & CEC Member
Ed Durfee, Applied Tech Faculty Member
Jenny Xiang, Academic Faculty Member
Scott Morgan, Grad Student Member

Non-Members Present at Meeting

Stephen Chatterton, Director Public Safety
Terrilee Hancock, Parking/Security Supervisor
Carol Prescott, Public Safety (taking minutes)
Terri Bergmeier, KISU Station Manager
David Turnmire, Chief Engineer, KISU

The meeting was called to order at 3:00 p.m.

Old Business

I Abandoned Vehicle Policy stays in force.

II Regulating Bicycles on Campus

Bicycle Safety Committee met last month, and we talked. They will come back this month with some specific recommendations. Issue tabled until next meeting.

III Raising Permit/Citation Fees & Bus Service On Campus

Steve stated Ron Bingli would like to come to the next meeting to discuss this. Jeff stated he has heard from CEC members. Some are agreeable, some are not. Scott Morgan agreed we do need to raise the funding for the buses on campus, so we must find some way to increase the budget.

Steve stated Ron will be here to discuss what they would like to see happen. Issue tabled until next meeting.

IV Parking in R04 Official Business/Vehicle Spaces

It was decided that the Graphic Arts spaces in R04 will be moved into the Official Vehicle spaces, along with spaces for Telecommunications, Maintenance & Operations, Media Center, etc.

The spaces that Graphic Arts vacates in R04, will be converted to R4 spaces. A letter will be sent to Dave Treasure regarding the decision made by the Parking Advisory Board.

V Removing Meters from 8th St

As discussed before, most members felt if you remove those meters, people will go around the bus, and pin the buses in more. They felt it would cause more of a problem if you removed the meters, rather than the way itís already set up. There has only been one accident in that area, and that was two years ago. Someone was exiting, and was hit. No buses were even involved.

The Parking Advisory Boardís decision was to leave 8th St. as it is. Steve will take this back to the Safety Committee.

VI Parking On Campus Sidewalks

Steve stated the Safety Committee is meeting on that issue right now, to come up with some recommendations on how to deal with this issue. This is more an informational issue for the Parking Advisory Board, and to get their thoughts. One of the big problem areas this board sees is at the entrance to the theater on 8th St. There are always cars parked on the sidewalk in front of that building, and it really has become a hazard for pedestrians. Another area mentioned was the construction area by the Physical Science area.

Steve will report any decisions made on this issue by the Safety Committee.

VII Towing Vehicles From Housing Residents When Fines Are Over $50

This was just a follow-up to the Board to let them know this was being implemented.

VIII Regulating Parking In Areas Close To/Off Campus

These areas include the area by the new Grounds Bldg. and at the Rhoads Bldg., Law Enforcement, Research Park, Diesel Bldg. etc.

If we were to charge for parking, we would pave those areas. Scott Morgan felt those areas that were that far off campus, such as Diesel, Research Park should be left alone, as they donít really affect parking on or near campus.

Steve stated the reason this has come to issue is that several employees in the past, have asked him about it. They want to know why itís not regulated, when where they have to park, they are required to have a permit. He stated by Bldg. 26 (G04 Lot) parking is regulated as it is all on ISU property. Further up the road (near bldg. 23?) half is ISU property, half is city access. Up by the new Grounds Bldg. is all ISU property. They can park on the city streets, because we donít regulate the city streets. They canít park along the cemetery, as the city has put up signs, but one portion of Dunn Street is ok.

The option is to say we are going to regulate parking on all ISU property. So they will have to pay to park or not, on any ISU property. On the portion that is half ISU, half city access, on the ISU portion we would mark parking spaces. Over a period of time all of these areas would be paved and painted.

Most of the parking funds for paving are going to R01 this summer. This lot will be getting a new lighting system, and we will be restructuring this lot, and even adding more spaces.

It was asked if the grounds people would even pay to park there. Steve said he felt they would not. The only reason they park there now is because itís free. They will just park on the road. We just have some other employees complaining that they have to pay for parking near their buildings, and these guys get free parking by Grounds.

Steve stated the paving that is going to be done at Grounds is a negotiated trade with the city for other properties we let them use. We have some property over on 1st St. that we let the city use. In exchange for that they will pave that area up by Grounds, the roadway, the area by the pumps, and around the new Grounds Bldg.

New Business

I Official Vehicle Parking in Visitor 2 Lot - College of Education

Terry Bergmeier, KISU Station Manager introduced herself, and then introduced David Turnmire. She turned the discussion over to Mr. Turnmire to present this issue.

Mr. Turnmire stated that in the Visitor 2 lot behind the College of Education there was a spot that was reserved for one of their 2 vehicles, and the other two just picked a spot. Steve Chatterton noted they were all state vehicles, and so could park wherever they could find a spot. Mr. Turnmire further stated that in recent months two of those spaces were reserved for ISU Maintenance vehicles. Mr. Turnmire stated this has aggravated the ability for us to park our vehicles there. He stated they have never seen both of those maintenance spaces used. Often, when maintenance comes to work, they choose to park in other spaces not reserved for them, to get closer to the building. Mr. Turnmire stated what they were asking for was some kind of compromise, by taking one of the maintenance spots, and reserving it for a KISU vehicle, so at least two of their three vehicles will have a parking spot that is reserved for them. That would still provide maintenance with a space. If special projects come up where maintenance needs more parking spaces, then KISU would be willing to leave their vehicles out of the way.

Jeff Evans asked if this maintenance space was one of those added on when Rich Ropicky came to the Board with a request for more maintenance vehicle spaces on campus. Steve stated it was.

Ed Durfee asked where they park when the canít find a space in V2. Mr. Turnmire said they park at the minidome. One of the problems with parking them out in the minidome, was that they have $100,000 worth of equipment in these vehicles, and donít like to park them too far away from the building.

Steve Chatterton advised them that they can park the vans with all the expensive equipment in R06 or G10. That lot is well lit, and you can park it where Public Safety can see it with the camera we have that covers that lot. Mr. Turnmire, stated because they are loading and unloading heavy equipment on a regular basis, they like to park as close to the building as possible. Steve said heíd rather have them park it out in R06/G10 where itís well lit, and where we know if itís been broken into, and we can watch it with the camera.

Steve Chatterton stated the reason a space was designated for KISU there, many years ago, was because they needed a space for a vehicle they could get materials in and out of. His concern is the little minivan stays up there quite a bit, and he wondered what it was being used for. Ms. Bergmeier stated the minivan was used for large mailings, which are done daily. The truck is a four wheel drive, and is used for field work, especially in the summer. Steve stated he visited with Jesse at M&O, and he firmly believes they need to have those two spaces. Jesse stated most of the time when they arenít parked in their designated spaces, itís because someone else is parked in those spaces. He stated they are up at Education every day. Mr. Turnmire stated heíd never seen it, and he goes through that parking lot every day. He says they have used the maintenance spaces lately, because they could not find anywhere else back there to park. Steve asked if it was possible to park the vehicle in one of the other parking lots, and then brought around to that area on those short durations or periods of time when you need to load or unload. Mr. Turnmire said that would be possible, itís just those spaces were more convenient. There is also a loading zone which can be used for a 15 minute period, with flashers on. Any longer than 15 minutes, and they can call the office for an extension.

Steve Chatterton stated if the Board is going to suggest a change there, we have several impacts. One the maintenance people, we need to correct the problems that exist there, and make them use the spaces they are given. If we are going to designate another space for another entity up there, then that adversely impacts the College of Education, who has top priority in the lot. So, we will have some negotiation there to do with Dr. Harris. The other option, is to do away with all visitor parking in that lot and make it Official Vehicle Only parking. However, Dr. Harris may not buy that. Mr. Turnmire stated they had their visitors too, and wasnít sure we should take away all the visitor spaces back there.

Mr. Turnmire reiterated his concerns that when parking is so precious to tie up a couple of spaces that arenít being used, does not seem like an effective use of the spaces. He stated their three vehicles have been in that lot for years, and he has never heard from the Dean of Education regarding their parking in that lot.

Steve stated he wasnít sure how to resolve this issue himself. He did suggest we study the parking in that area. We could have the Parking Office monitor the parking there, and come up with some numbers on usage, and who is parking where and when. We can then provide sufficient information to the Parking Board for them to make a judgement call on this issue. Mr. Turnmire felt that would be helpful.

Another suggestion made was to move the dumpster in that lot, which would possibly create 1-2 more spaces. Steve will talk to Robyn at M&O about this.

The decision was made that surveys of this area will be done by both KISU and the Parking Office. Steve will also have Jesse keep a record of how many times they go up there, each day. He will see if Jesse canít come to the next meeting. This information will then be brought to the next Parking Board Meeting for a decision to be made.

II Special Parking Request

Steve met with the Facilities Access Committee last week, and they have a professor in Pharmacy who is physically disabled, from a traffic accident, and needs accommodation for a parking space between Fine Arts and Pharmacy (U2 Lot). We have two disabled parking spaces over there, but those are occupied when she tries to get here. The Facilities Access Committee is asking the Parking Advisory Board if we would designate one of those disabled parking spaces specifically for this professor (one of the two that are already over there). What we had done, is there was on parking space over, because there was a request for it due to another temporary disability. So we added that space. That temporary disability is almost over now, but to accommodate this faculty person, we put a second one over there. Now both of them are being used.

The Pharmacy professorís disability is a long term disability, but is also temporary. They think it will be about a year. The Facilities Access Committee is asking if we could accommodate her, and they unanimously approved doing this, and is asking for the Parking Advisory Boardís consideration in this issue.

There are disabled space in R01 and in G01, but they are well utilized, and this professor is having a hard time finding a space for herself, and because of the nature of her disability would like something close in.

Scott Morgan motioned that we allow this special disabled designation in U2 Lot for this person, on a temporary basis. Motioned was 2nded by Ed Durfee. Motion passed.

III Students, Faculty/Staff With Disabilities, Who Cannot Get State Handicap Permit

Bob Campbell and Steve Chatterton have had a gentlemenís agreement that Steve would like to formalize, because of some problems weíve had in the past. There are some student, faculty and staff who have disabilities that have not acquired the state disabled permit, for whatever reason. In the past, if theyíve met the criteria, weíve sent them to Bob Campbell, Director, Students With Disabilities. Mr. Campbell is an amputee, and so he is sympathetic towards people with physical disabilities, but he does not cave into them. He figures if he can walk, they can walk. Weíve agreed in the past that if Mr. Campbell comes to Steve and says this person has a disability, we need to accommodate them for a short period of time, then we have done so with a short term disability permit.

Steve would like to make that a permanent situation, instead of a gentlemenís agreement with Mr. Campbell. What Bob requires them to do, they have to bring in a doctorís slip, which gives the extent or description of the disability, and duration. This has worked rather well, and we only had a few. However, we are getting more students who come in. Mr. Campbell turns several of them down. Steve feels he is handling this fairly well. There are some who are not eligible for a state handicap permit, and that is what our requirement is for a permanent disability. Those who have short term disabilities, which Mr. Campbell feels are agreeable, then weíve issued them. Those who canít get one from the state, if Mr. Campbell looks at their situation, they donít get one if he doesnít deem it necessary.

Scott Morgan made the motion to formalize the agreement between Mr. Campbell & Mr. Chatterton to handle short term disabilities. Jeff Evans 2nded the motion. Motion passed.

IV Ticketing In R01

Jenny Xiang brought a memo from a professor regarding ticketing in R01 lot. This professor felt that R01 was not being cited enough. We did respond to his memo, and he was given a report that we run which shows the number of citations that have been written in that lot. This lot gets the majority of tickets written. It was asked why he received an Improper Permit Display ticket of only $4.00. We did not understand why this was issued either, it really should have been a $15.00 citation. This was definitely a mistake, and has been addressed.

Ms. Xiang felt maybe the fines were not high enough, and maybe that should be changed. Maybe if it was a more expensive ticket, they might think twice about parking in those reserve areas. The price of fines will be discussed with the issue of raising permit fees. The Board decided we had responded effectively to this professor at this time, and this issued was closed.

Agenda

Parking Board Meeting
Tuesday, March 28, 2000 @ 3:00 p.m.
Public Safety Conference Room

Old Business

I Regulating Bikes On Campus

II Raising Permit Fees/Shuttle Bus Service On Campus

III Parking On Campus Sidewalks

IV Regulating Off Campus/Close Proximity Parking

V Parking For KISU Vehicles

VI 8th St Meters

VII Special Parking Space For Pharmacy Professor

VIII Students, Faculty/Staff With Disabilities, Who Cannot Obtain State Handicap Permit

IX Parking In R04

X Ticketing In R01 Lot

New Business

I Guest Lecture Parking For Physicianís Assistant Program

II R01 Parking Problem - People Parking & Waiting For Students, Taking Up Reserve Lot Spaces

Parking Board Meeting

Tuesday, March 28, 2000

Members Present at the Meeting

Christy Lauer, Chairperson & COPE Member
Jenny Xiang, Faculty Member
Scott Morgan, Grad Student Member
Cameron Homer, Academic Student Member

Non-Members Present at Meeting

Stephen Chatterton, Director Public Safety
Terrilee Hancock, Parking/Security Supervisor
Carol Prescott, Public Safety (taking minutes)
David Turnmire, KISU
Jesse Scruggs, M&O
Rich Rapax, M&O

The meeting was called to order at 3:00 p.m. Minutes were approved

Old Business

I Regulating Bikes On Campus

Board members were given a copy of the recommendations made by the Bicycle Safety Committee. Board members will take these recommendations to their constituents for further input.

II Raising Permit Fees/Shuttle Bus Service On Campus

This issue was tabled until next meeting. Steve wanted to hold off on bringing in Ron Bingli to this meeting, because of the KISU issue (which took up quite a bit of time). Ron is still interested in being here.

III Parking On Campus Sidewalks

Steve Chatterton stated a Safety Sub-committee is meeting this week to come up with a policy for this issue. This policy will be brought to the next Parking Advisory Board Meeting.

IV Regulating Off Campus/Close Proximity Parking

Steve Chatterton stated this is in regard mainly to the area around the new Grounds Bldg. He stated the problem that exists right now, because of the track people. They are all parking up their around the dumpster, around the fuel station, the buses canít get in and out. There is no permit parking or regulated parking in this area, so they are parking there and blocking the roadways. Steve said he put a sign up there that says ďOfficial Vehicles OnlyĒ and ďNo ParkingĒ signs with Tow Away signs. These people are parked right up against those signs. Steve spoke with the City Traffic engineer, and he agrees we need to maintain the 24 foot road right-of-way. The maintenance people have agreed they will go up there with their equipment, and they will cut the berms down next to the buildings so they can move their vehicles up closer to the buildings, so they wonít encroach upon the road way. We will put some ďNo ParkingĒ signs at the edge of the Stores Bldg, so they wonít park in the first 4 parking spaces along the Stores Bldg., so the buses and trailers, etc. can make the turn into the compound. We are also putting a ďNo ParkingĒ sign by the big tree, so there will be no parking along this roadway. The city will enforce the No Parking areas on the road. They will write city tickets, instead of ISU tickets.

Steve stated he contacted the Athletics Department, and let them know we were putting these signs up, and asked them to tell their people not to park there. People did anyway today. Our officers went over to talk to the track coaches and asked them to stop parking there.

Steve wanted the Parking Advisory Board to look at making the a restricted parking area. We would restrict it to ISU Vehicles only, and/or special permit parking, and/or Official Business Pass parking.

Scott Morgan made the motion to make this area a restricted parking area. Cameron Homer seconded the motion. Motion passed.

V Parking for KISU Vehicles

David Turnmire brought in his survey of the Visitor lot behind College of Education on the use of the 2 maintenance vehicle spaces. His survey covered about a 1 week period. Public Safety also distributed their survey which was done from 2/14/00 thru 3/23/00. Both surveys showed those spaces were used at least 50% of the time during a work day by maintenance vehicles.

Jesse Scruggs from M&O stated when his people go up there he has seen where there are KISU vehicles using their spaces, so then his maintenance vehicles have to park on the sidewalks to get to the buildings. He explained that heís got 2 separate departments that go to every building every day. Those 2 departments are HVAC and Maintenance. Theyíve got 2 buildings there to take care of, which are Home Economics and the Education Bldg. Maintenance personnel have to go through those buildings at least once a day, and HVAC also has to go through at least once a day. If they do any scheduling for painting, carpeting, etc. then at that time, they need the spaces for long term, which during the summer that could be quite a bit.

Rich Rapax stated his group was doing remodeling up there for six weeks prior to spring break. Although those spaces are not used on a continuous basis, it helps to have them open when maintenance and construction personnel come up there to work. They really need these spaces, and they need them close, as they usually have tools, equipment, materials that need to be carried into the buildings. They are in and out of buildings all the time. It is quite a problem when they get to a building and find their maintenance spaces being used by other departments too. Itís not usually students, itís usually people with Official Business Passes or other state vehicles.

Mr. Turnmire stated their problem is that they have 3 state vehicles, and they are there most of the time. What brought this to a head, was that there are not very many spaces back there in that lot in the first place, and now all of a sudden 2 spaces have been reserved for maintenance vehicles, which he feels arenít being used enough to warrant reserving them for maintenance use only. He stated they are loading and unloading things too. Many times Mr. Turnmire said he would look out the window and see a maintenance vehicle parked back there, but not in the maintenance vehicle spaces. Rich Rapax explained that is because a lot of times they would get up there and someone else would be parked in those spaces, so they would have to park in other available spaces back there. In the meantime, those cars that were parked in the maintenance vehicle spaces have left, and that is why you see what you see. Jesse Scruggs stated they used to park out on the sidewalks, because that was one of the areas they could park. But itís come down that they can no longer do that.

Jesse Scruggs asked if KISU parked their vehicles there all day. Mr. Turnmire, stated yes, they pretty much live there. Jesse wanted to know why the couldnít park them somewhere else and then walk to their office, like across the street. Mr. Turnmire stated these were state vehicles, and that was their home.

Steve Chatterton clarified the past history of this lot. That parking lot was primarily designated for short term parking. We made an exception for 1 KISU vehicle, knowing that it would be there probably most of the time, but that it would come and go. The primary purpose of the parking back there is for shot term, limited parking, where people are going to come in, and they are going to be there for 15 minutes to an hour, then leave. If you are looking at wanting to secure parking for Ĺ a day or all day, then that definitely should not be the idea for parking those vehicles. If they want to park them for Ĺ a day or all day, they should be able to park them somewhere else. The exception was made for the 1 KISU vehicle because they were coming and going. To extend that to a 2nd or 3rd vehicle, that is not what this lot was intended for. It is a visitor lot and itís had that designation before Mr. Chatterton arrived. If they need to load and unload, there is also a loading zone designated in this visitor lot.

Mr. Turnmire then asked for a reserve space across the street in the Reed Gym lot, where the car would be parked, then when the needed to load/unload they would use the loading zone in that visitor lot (designated V02). Steve Chatterton stated that would have to be a decision recommended by the Parking Board to Darrell Buffaloe. Steve stated there is only one other place weíve done that for is the Tech Safety vehicle, when they were in the Physical Science Bldg., and we had designated a space for them. However, that was more of a safety issue, because they needed to respond to toxic spills, hazardous waste spills. They needed their vehicle close to their work area where they were storing and disposing of those materials. They got concurrence for that from the Safety Committee and the Presidentís staff. At this time, they are the only ones that have been given a special parking space.

Mr. Turnmire said they had enough in and out traffic, so that he felt it would cut their productivity down substantially if they had extended walk times. Steve said what Mr. Turnmire was asking for is an exception that almost every department on campus would make the same argument for.

Christy Lauer made the comment that she has to go to upper campus, and she walks, because if she takes her vehicle, she is not going to get her reserve lot space back (Admin Bldg.). She stated she can take her OFB Pass and find a space on upper campus, but when she comes back, sheís not going to find any space in the lot she normally parks in. She uses her personal vehicle, but she is going on state business. Steve stated the Geology Dept., and other departments that operate state vehicles, for other departments other than the Physical Plant, have made the same argument to the Parking Board, asking for special parking. For what you are asking for we would ask for documentation, as was done with the Tech Safety office, to justify getting a designated parking space next to your building. Steve state he is just giving his opinion, the decision is up to the Parking Advisory Board. Then it would go to Darrell Buffaloe for his approval, and possibly to President Bowen for his approval.

Scott Morgan asked Steve Chatterton what he thought the solution would be. Steve stated there is no easy solution. He did know, that if we give KISU special designation, it will open a Pandoraís box. Geology has 5 state vehicles, and if we do this for KISU, Geology will be before the Board asking for the same consideration, and they wonít be the only ones. Steve knows this is a problem, but everybody else that has state vehicles are dealing with it.

Mr. Turnmire then asked why we couldnít just have designated spaces for all state vehicles on campus. Steve said heíd be glad to do that at Holt Arena, heíd take a whole row and designate it for state vehicles. Steve stated what we are doing here is talking about a bigger issue, weíve changed the whole issue here. Steve said the whole issue now is, we canít do this for you, in his opinion. The Parking Board should not do it. They can do it if the want, but they shouldnít. If we are going to entertain the thought for KISU, then Steveís suggestion was to table this, form a sub-committee to study if we are going to do it for every state vehicle on campus, and how we are going to accommodate every state vehicle on campus. Otherwise, the Board will be tied up every month with a different department asking for the same consideration.

Scott Morgan made the motion to table this issue for now, for further study. Seconded by Christy Lauer. So moved.

VI 8th St. Meter Parking

Steve stated Lee Krehbiel, Chairman of the Safety Committee wanted to come and speak to the Board on why they felt it should be removed. Steve will try and get him to the next meeting.

VII Special Parking Space For Pharmacy Professor (Temporary)

All set in place. Steve said as soon as we did that, we started getting calls from other disabled people asking for one. Steve stated he explained to these people that no, this was a temporary exception, and the reason why. Heís had no other comments about it, and has referred these people to Bob Campbell.

VIII Students, Faculty/Staff With Disabilities Who Cannot Obtain State Permits

This was just for the Boardís info. Agreement is being formalized.

IX Parking In R04

Board was informed that a memo was sent to Dave Treasure informing him of their decision. No reply has been received from him.

X Ticketing in R01 Lot

This was just info for the Board. No further discussion needed

New Business

I Guest Lecture Parking For Physicianís Assistant Program

There was supposed to have been someone from this program here to talk about this, but nobody showed up. Steve stated they want us to designate another parking space up there that would be designated for the physicians so when they come up to the Redhill Bldg., they would have a place to park. Christy thought this sounded like the same issue as KISU, for special designation parking. Steve said they want to put this in the R10 lot. We have about 3 general lot spaces in that lot, so we could take a space from there to designate it as a reserve space for their guest lecturers. Steve said the only way we could do it without creating more problems, would be to do it as an official business space.

What the Physicianís Assistant Program is saying is that some of these physicians are donating their time to the Physicianís Assistant Program, and they squeeze it in between their practices. So the want to be able to park close, because of time constraints for themselves. They want to get in and out quickly. If they donít have a designated space, then they donít know where they will end up parking. They would have to park up in the G07 lot, and this would be a time constraint for them.

This issue was tabled, and it was asked that the PA Program have a representative at the next meeting to address this issue.

II R01 Parking Problem - People Parking & Waiting For Students, Taking Up Reserve Lot Spaces

The problem that was brought to Parking was that people will take up a reserve lot space in R01 and wait for their family member or friend to get out of class. Christy stated that was a campus wide problem, and she wasnít sure there was anything you could do.

Scott Morgan said what he noticed was, every time he heard someone complain about parking, this is what he found. He has a class up at Life Sciences, and he watches people who drove up there for that class trying to get out of the parking lot. He walks down to lower campus for classes, and when he gets down there he sees those same people driving around the parking lot looking for a parking space. He feels these are the people whining for more parking spaces, the ones who drive to every single class. Scott has found that it takes him just as much time to walk from Life Sciences to his class in the BA Bldg as it does to catch the bus and ride it down. Some people would rather chance it, and get the ticket.

The issue here is there are some faculty/staff that would like us to regulate people that are just parking there for a few minutes, and then are gone. Christy stated it is virtually impossible for Public Safety/Parking to monitor every single parking lot on this campus, constantly; without somebody at a gate. Steve said we could try that, but weíd have to get more staff, and raise fees even more. Or we could create a fine for that and issue a ticket, but he didnít feel that was something we wanted to do.

The Board decided this would be too hard to enforce, or even monitor. It would be too costly at this time.

III Giving Graduate/Teaching Assistants An Opportunity To Purchase Reserve Lot Permits

Scott Morgan stated the several Graduate Students and Teaching Assistants have approached him about being given the opportunity to purchase reserve lot permits at the same time faculty/staff do. They feel they also teach classes, and have a responsibility to be on time, just as professors do. Scott made a motion to allow grad students and teaching assistants to purchase reserve lot permits before other students, and opened it up for discussion.

It was explained that faculty/staff are given first opportunity to purchase reserve lot permits. They go on sale to faculty/staff the first part of May each year, on a first come/first serve basis. Then if there are any spaces left, they go on sale to students on the first day of fee payment. It was asked if there was any way we could open them up earlier to grad students and teaching assistants.

Christy said the problem youíll have is getting a complete list of graduate students and teaching assistants. They would have to have some kind of proof to bring into the office to show they are graduate students or teaching assistants. Steve said weíd have to slide some dates around. He suggested we could give general students the opportunity to buy them the Monday after fee payment, or the first day of school, and let grad students and teaching assistants buy them the week of fee payment. Another suggestion was to sell them to grad students and teaching assistants the week before fee payment. Steve stated if you move it ahead this will become an issue with faculty/staff. So we need to come up with a date.

This issue was tabled until we can get a date picked as to when to sell them to graduate students, and teaching assistants, and decide on what kind of proof they will need to bring to the Parking Office, in order to get a reserve lot permit. Board members should come back with some dates, ideas for proof, etc. on this issue.

Agenda

Parking Board Meeting
Monday, April17, 2000 @ 3:00 p.m.
Public Safety Conference Room

Old Business

I. Regulating Bikes On Campus

II. Raising Permit Fees/Shuttle Bus Service On Campus

III. Parking On Campus Sidewalks

IV. Parking For KISU Vehicles

V. 8th St. Meter Parking

VI. Guest Lecture Parking For P.A. Program

VII. Giving Grad Students/Teaching Assistants Opportunity To Purchase Reserve Lot Permits.

New Business

I Citations For Altered/Forged Permits

Parking Board Meeting

Monday, April 17, 2000

Members Present at the Meeting

Christy Lauer, Chairperson & COPE Member
Jeff Evans CEC Member
Jeanne Blank, New CEC Member
Jenny Xiang, Faculty Member
Cameron Homer, Academic Student Member

Non-Members Present at Meeting

Steve Chatteron, Director, Public Safety
Linda Tobias, ISU Public Safety
Ron Bingelli, Pocatello Rapid Transit
Lee Krehbiel, Safety Committee
Paula Phelps, P.A. Program

The meeting was called to order at 3:00 p.m. Minutes from last meeting were approved

Old Business

I. Regulating Bikes On Campus

Cameron stated he spoke to some people on his committee. One of them who rides a bike to campus almost everyday wanted to know how they were going to enforce a speed limit in the quad area? He wanted to know if the Public Safety officer was actually going to sit there and clock bikes to make sure? Steve said yes they would. The officers are on the quad on a regular basis, so when they are there they would do that. Cameron stated the other concern was no bikes on sidewalks in the area on MLK. He stated there is no bike lane there, and because of the traffic, a lot of times, there is no other way to go. Steve stated the Bicycle Safety Committee felt they could ride on the roadway, who are also bicycle users. However, that is a city sidewalk, and we really have no control over it.

Christy stated because we have a new member, and because she has not had a chance to talk to her constituents, she would like to table this, until the next meeting.

II. Raising Permit Fees/Shuttle Bus Service On Campus

Ron Binggelli stated the reason he came today was to see what we could do in regards to participation of the University in the cost of the bus service. He felt it would be a nice thing if we could have the students.........participate, as opposed to having it come out of the parking fees. One reason, is because you donít have a lot of resources. Another reason is Steve must keep a tight hold on his budget.

Ron stated they have been providing shuttle bus service since about 1988. Ridership in one year alone increased from 77,000 to approx. 140,000. Last year it grew about 30,000 and total ridership is about 280,000.

They provide 3 9-10 hour buses, Monday thru Friday, and 1 extra bus for 7 hours on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. The cost is $27.46 per bus hour, so the total cost is $120,549.00 to provide this service. There is a $9,000.00 a year capital match. The city is paying $40,000.00 a year for the next 4 years. The University participated to the tune of $42,000.00 the previous year. So the University not only participates at $8,100.00 a quarter through Parking, but also participated in the previous year for the current new buses on campus, we matched one of those buses. So we are at about $129,549.00. About $120,549.00, which is the cost of the annual provision of services, operating not capital, we can get federal funds to match half of that, so it gets a lot better real quick, about $60,300.00. What Parking is paying is about $32,000.00. Ron would like us to get a lot closer to that, and also realize something around $10,000.00 a year for the match, for capital replacements. They have 2 new 35 foot buses. They were built especially for campus use, and for future lines we are going to build, weíll get low floor, with ramps instead of lifts, and they will continue to have big wide doors in the back. These were especially built for campus. In addition to those 2, we have 3 others which are 1976's. These are the flexibles they received, at no charge, from Orange County. However, they are a maintenance problem, and Ron would like to get them replaced.

In regards to the capital for replacements. We have 2 avenues to replace them. At this time, we have applied for what is called a congestion, mitigation and quality grant, for 1 low floor bus that is 35 ft. long. If we get this grant we will get a 7.44% match, locally. We talking about a $21,000.00 match, and we think the city should provide half of that, which they typically do. So we hope the University will provide $11,000.00. Also, theyíve applied thru a mass transit account, and applied for 1 more new bus, but the match isnít as good. This one you have to show expansion of service, and we have done that. The match on the amount of around $270,000.00 is $50,000.00. Again, we are going to ask the city to match half of it, and weíll ask the University to match the other half, at around $25,000.00. These buses take about 18 months to 2 years to build, so in the next 4 years, we would like to see some participation from the University in the amount of around $36,000.00. Ron felt it was a good deal for the University. There is no way the University could do this themselves, and get this kind of equipment.

Ron felt we should start thinking about what many other universities do. A small (very small), percentage of student participation, when they register. He knows that might not be a very popular idea. However, based on enrollment of approximately 13,000 students, if we could get $3.00 a semester (per student), and this is not that unique of an idea. Many universities throughout the country do this. But if you can get $3.00 a semester, per student, we could get approximately $78,000.00 a year, which would take care of all of our needs right now. It would take care of the operations, and it would give us the match, from the University, that we need. If we wanted to go further, and ask for $5.00, at $5.00 they would be willing to let the students have a pass, where they could ride their buses everywhere in the city, anytime. The $5.00 might not sell, but the $3.00 would be great, if we could get it done.

Cameron Homer asked about getting a bus route along 4th & 5th Sts. Ron stated they are doing a study of the Yellowstone Corridor, to create bus pullouts so they can run the buses up and down 4th and 5th. Cameron stated he knew someone who lived in the Village Apts., and he said it didnít like having to drive his car to school, since he lived so close, and it would benefit the parking situation on campus. Ron said in that case, he was talking about expanding J Route to have that element to go off campus. Ron stated they were doing that, in the context that they were going down to 2nd St, to pickup Diesel students. Ron stated they would take a look at that, and maybe create a route out to Century High School, or something like that.

Ron said he told Scott Campbell PRT was going to provide the federal funds for 2 or so shelters. He told Scott ďwe are going to do this, and will you remember this, when we say we need more help for the bus system on campus.Ē Ron stated the shelters cost about $7,000.00 to $8,000.00 for the 30 foot ones. He told Scott this was a way to cooperate together, and we need to find a way to fund the transit system, just a little bit better.

Cameron said it might not be easy for the students to pay another $5.00, with their fees having just gone up. Ron understood this. However, the alternative of raising parking fees might be worse, as they would have to be raised more than the $5.00 student fee. Right now, billing is at $8,100.00 per quarter, and he wants to get it to $15,000.00 per quarter, and thatís just for operating costs, not capital. It costs them about $579,000.00 for the first year. They took $20,000.00 hours, and figured the University was about 1/5th of their costs. So they took 1/5th of the total $579,000.00. Their actual, fully allocated rate is $32.00 an hour, but they went down to the nitty gritty and got it to $27.00. Then they took the $27.00, and divided that in half, because of the federal funds. We do this only for the University. Itís a real figure at $120,000.00, and half of that is what heíd like to get from the University.

Christy asked about the matching for the capital, is that a one time charge. Ron stated, the buses will last 12 years or more. In terms of capitalization, if you need to have 4 buses, plus a back up, then you will be replacing a bus about every other year. So, you will be looking at capital replacement about every other year. This $280,000.00 a whack doesnít grow on trees. Theyíve applied for a 5309 account, and itís really sort of an unlimited thing. They could replace the whole shabang, if they at the match, and he felt we ought to replace the whole shabang. We ought to say that the.......are good for another 11 years, but the other 3 should be replaced. Then we should be talking to the tune of around $100,000.00. We should be talking match of $180,000.00, and we ought to get it done. But where? Thatís what we should do, then we wouldnít have to worry about them for another 10 years.

Christy thanked Mr. Binggelli for coming in. She stated we will have to start working with the student government to get this through. Cameron stated he will be talking to the senate and Eric Lacey, and will present this to him.

Ron added if you take the cost of the shelters at $12,000.00, and you buy 3 of those with federal funds, and we say the match is $24,000.00, so letís say $9,500.00, right there, in that alone, we are saving the student government $28,000.00. For the University we are saving thousands of dollars in shelters. There are benefits to be gained, and it isnít all for students to put out money.

Cameron agreed, and if the city bus system expands, the $5.00 for student would go over a lot better. Ron agreed it wasnít direct enough, and it wasnít frequent enough. Missoula, MT is a good town to compare with us, and they have a very extensive bus service, but they have put a lot of money into it.

III. Parking On Campus Sidewalks

Steve stated we have a draft of the policy, and we have a meeting to review that. Then we should have something, hopefully by the next meeting. The draft was handed out to Board members. Tabled until next meeting

IV. Parking for KISU Vehicles

We have pretty much decided to look at the general issue of state vehicles on campus. Christy knew Scott was concerned about the lack of maintenance spaces at Biological Sciences. Steve stated he had talked to maintenance personnel, and they are supposed to come back to us with recommendations for providing more parking for them. Steve felt this was their problem, and they needed to let us know what to do. We arenít going to do it for them. They were given the opportunity last year to go out and about, and look at every place on campus, and point out where they wanted them. The didnít ask for anything at Biological Sciences. They will have to come to us.

Christy asked if we wanted to look at the issue of providing parking spaces for state vehicles, or leave it as is, and park at the mini-dome. Steve said right now state vehicles can park anywhere they want, except maintenance vehicle only spaces. KISU can park anywhere he wants, but he wants to park closer. It was decided to leave this as is, and close this issue.

V. 8th St. Meter Parking

Lee Krehbiel represents the Safety Committee. He stated the Safety Committee made a recommendation to Steve that the angled spaces in the lot in front of the theater be removed. Their concern was that as vehicles park in those spaces, especially trucks, vans, etc. it makes a pretty tight squeeze for the buses, and they were concerned that an accident may happen there. Lee reiterated the Parking Boardís concern that if we made that space greater on the roadside of that, that cars may try to cut through there, making it even more likely for an accident to happen. Lee wanted to have more of a discussion on this issue. The Safety Committee doesnít feel like there is a good answer to this dilemma, so they are look for a concurrence on what is the safest way to handle this, that will allow the buses to have reasonable passage. Right now the meter spaces have been converted to handicap spaces, on a temporary basis, because of construction being done at the SUB.

They would not make very good loading/unloading zones, being on the other side of the lot. Lee wants to get a better idea of why the Parking Board doesnít think removing them would be a good idea.

Christy Lauer stated she has seen cars use those spaces to go around the bus, when those spaces are not in use. There could be students walking in front of the bus. The Parking Board is concerned that by removing those entirely, that it just gives cars that much more freedom to go around the bus, at all times, rather than when thereís just no parking there.

It was suggested that we change them to parallel parking or compact vehicles only parking, eliminating the problems with trucks and vans. Then you would still have parking, but it would not interfere with the buses. The only problem is that some people will not pay attention to the signs that say compact cars only.

Ron Bingelli, PRT, agreed it was a problem area. He says with those spaces right at the beginning, as the bus comes, it makes it difficult for the buses. Ron felt 2 parallel spaces there would be a good idea, and would alleviate the problems they have when they pull into the lot.

Ron Bingelli also wanted to say how much he appreciated the cooperation of the University. PRT gets better cooperation from the University than they get from the City of Pocatello. He stated he appreciated it very much. Even more would be done if he could get more cooperation from the city.

Ron & Steve Chatterton will go over to 8th St. and take a look at it, and come up with an idea.

VI. Guest Lecture Parking For the P.A. Program

Paula Phelps came from the PA Program to speak on this issue today. She stated their program depends on outside lecturers. They only have 3 full-time faculty members, so many of their courses are taught by outside lecturers. We normally send a General Lot Guest pass, because the general lot up behind the building. Unfortunately, the guest lecturers are not looking at the information we send them, and they are parking in Reserve Lot 10, or 1 of the 3 general lot spaces in the R10 area. They are not looking for a permanent space, but maybe some kind of special permit (different color) for them to put in their windows, so if they chose to come down to the lower R10 lot, they wouldnít get ticketed.

Christy asked how many lecturers she was talking about. Paula stated about 40, but she didnít think they were all parking in the lower lot (R10). They donít necessarily come once a week during the semester, but it varies for each of them.

It was asked why there were even 3 general spaces in there. Steve explained there wasnít enough requests for the reserve lot to fill all those spaces, so we left 3 of them as generals for people in Owen/Redfield could use them. Christy asked if they could use a volunteer pass, if that would be applicable. There would have to be something close. Christy asked if they were having a problem finding something close. Ms. Phelps stated the general lot was right above their office, but often, when Dr. Vanek, who is a surgeon, at the last minute, heís trying to get as close as possible, as heís taking time out from his practice to do this. We have been letting them use our Official Business Passes, but they canít always get them in time, and they may still get a ticket.

Paula stated sometimes, if there is a function going on at Redhill, even a space in the general lot above is hard for them to find.

Linda Tobias asked if these people were classified as Affiliate Faculty or Adjunct Faculty. Paula Phelps stated they are Affiliate Faculty. Steve stated the question here, then, is how to accommodate an affiliate faculty or an adjunct faculty with a reserve parking space that they arenít paying for, especially when we donít do that anywhere else. Paula stated they are open to whatever suggestions we have.

It was asked if the ISU guest pass could not be used. We do write some visitor guest permits for reserve lots, but that is done sparingly. It was then asked if we could give them something in one of those general lot spaces in the reserve 10 lot, or a guest pass for one of those spaces? Another suggestion was to make the general spaces into a visitor spaces, with no special designation for the PA program, just a visitorís only space. Steve said we could try it. We probably would not do all three at once, just start with one of them, and see how it works.

VII. Giving Grad Students/Teaching Assistants Opportunity To Purchase Reserve Lot Permits Before Other Students

Cameron Homer suggested we notify the professors that we are going to do this, and have them get us a list of the grad students and teaching assistants, and those would be the only people would be eligible. Once the departments send us this info, we write to these people and tell these are available, however you need to come to the parking office during this period of time, with your award letter. Our problem is just working out when we will let them do this, before we open it up to the general student population.

Because Scott Morgan, who brought this issue before the Board, could not attend today, this issue was tabled.

New Business

I. Raising Parking Fines

Christy stated we do need to start looking at raising some of those. We have talked about increasing the handicap, maintenance, all the restricted use areas. Steve stated one of the things we do, is if they come in and pay it within 3 working days, they get half price. Steve felt that was an issue the Board needed to take a look at, and stop doing it.

Cameron Homer stated he like the half off in 3 days. He felt it was a good option for students. Christy agreed it was good for some areas, but not all. Handicap, maintenance, restricted area use should be higher fines.

Cameron stated he had a problem with repeat offenders who appeal tickets, especially when they put $50-$60 in fines on an appeal form, and their ticket records are attached, and it is noted they donít have a permit. Maybe they should have a fine added on for that. Christy wanted to know when the last time was that we looked at the fine prices. It was noted that it was prior to 1992. Jeff Evans raised a concern because of the number of people who never pay their fines, would it just make it worse if we raised the fine amounts (Note From Carol: My Accounts Receivable Report that I do at the end of June, shows the amount from outstanding fines is dropping each year.). We can usually identify those who are unidentified in our records, too. If they are students, then the ticket record is attached to them. The occasional visitor who never comes into pay or get a ticket taken care of will sit out there. But they do not show up on our outstanding receivables, unless they are identified to students or personnel.

Steve stated Bonnie Knutson has told him that in looking at our finances, with the cost of fuel that has gone up, and increase cost for hot mix to repair parking lots, we are in a very critical area, where we are not going to have enough money to maintain parking lots. We need to find a way to generate more money, and that is either by raising parking permit prices or parking fines, or doing something different with the parking fines, than what we are doing right now. Or we cut back on the repairs, and all the other things we do right now.

Right now students with fines can be passed to hold, or sent to collections. We also do this to faculty/staff. Cameron felt you wouldnít get much support from students to raise parking permit fees. Raising most of the violation prices would be a better idea. He suggested we could probably raise prices on reserve lot violations, housing lot violations, handicap, restricted areas, etc. without offending too many people.

Steve suggested we put together a list to send out to the Board for review to what Public Safety thinks they should go up to. Christy concurred, and asked that we identify those that are really critical, like handicap, maintenance spaces, etc. that we need to put a hefty fine on, so it will really discourage people from using those spaces.

II. Citations For Altered/Forged Permits - Should Not Be Able To Appeal Them

Cameron agreed they are not just appealing a regular citation. This is forgery, itís a crime. Steve explained that they not only get the fine, they are referred to the Dean of Students, and there are academic sanctions, relative to that. Christy agreed we could put something in the regulations that this is not an appealable ticket. Steve felt we should just make sure the regulations state no half price, but we should still give them the option to appeal. It would not be fair not to give them that option. Cameron Homer made a motion to allow the altered/forged permit to be appealed, but it cannot be paid at half price. Jeff Evans 2nded. Motion passed.

III. Safety Issue in G06 Lot near the LDS lawn maintenance shed

This issue had come up before, but for some reason no decision was made. Jeff Evans explained it is where to roads come down into G06 lot. What happens is both cars are coming in fast, looking for spots, and they meet right where the shed is. It is a potential for an accident. What had been suggested was maybe a mirror that you could see both ways, or something. Steve Chatterton said he had talked with the city traffic engineer a little bit about mirrors, and they donít like that idea. Most members felt a stop sign or yield sign would be better.

Cameron Homer voiced some concerns about how enforcement will be done, specifically, if it will be enforced at night or when there is an LDS event at the Institute. His concern is that some people will say they were targeted because the are LDS

Steve wanted to talk to the city traffic engineer and ask them how they handle those circumstances, to see what we can do. Steve will get some feedback from the city, and get back to the Board with their recommendation.

The next meeting was set for May 3rd, so they could get another meeting in before the end of the school year.

Meeting adjourned.

Agenda

Parking Board Meeting
Wednesday, May 3, 2000 @ 3:00 p.m.
Public Safety Conference Room

Old Business

I. Regulating Bikes On Campus

II. Raising Permit Fees/Shuttle Bus Service On Campus

III. Parking On Campus Sidewalks

IV. 8th St. Meter Parking

V. Giving Grad Students/Teaching Assistants Opportunity To Purchase Reserve Lot Permits

VI. Raising Parking Fines

VII. G06 Parking Lot Safety Issue - Stop Sign or Yield Sign?

New Business

I. Adding A Violation For Motorcycles Without Permits To Citations

II. Placing Boots On Vehicles & Charging A Fee To Remove Them

Parking Board Meeting

Wednesday, May 3, 2000

Members Present at the Meeting

Christy Lauer, Chairman & COPE Member
Jenny Xiang, Faculty Member

Non-Members Present at Meeting

Stephen Chatterton, Director Public Safety
Terrilee Hancock, Parking/Security Supervisor
Carol Prescott, Public Safety (taking minutes)
Dee Coburn - Student
Scott McDonald - Student Patrol Officer - Public Safety

The meeting was called to order at 1:00 p.m.

Old Business

I. Raising Parking Fines/Separate Citation For Moving Violations

Scott McDonald met with the Board to present the issue of not only raising the parking fines, but to also make a separate ticket for moving violations, and raising those fines. Currently, the moving violation is included on the parking citation. At this time, the maximum penalty is $25.00, and if they pay it within 3 days, the can get half off. Since Public Safety enforces city and state traffic regulations on campus, they felt we should bring the fines in line with what the city and state fines are. Steve Chatterton added that several years ago the Parking Board adopted, for the purpose of regulating traffic on campus, they adopted the state & city traffic regulations, as part of ISUís parking regulations. So, if they get a citation for failure to stop at a stop sign, or failure to yield, we donít have to sit down and write those regulations in our parking regulations, we just go to the state or city code book. The fines are part of the ISU Parking Account, they donít go to the city.

Christy asked about the speed limits on campus. Scott stated Bartz Way is 25 mph, then the road from MLK to the Y at Bartz Way, is 20 mph. All of the parking lots are 15 mph, so along the tennis courts is 15, as well as Holt Arena, etc. Now usually at 2 in the morning, if they are going 35 through there, they try to give warnings. But when there is an event up there, say at the stake or whatnot, they will cite them, because of the housing units, and kids that live up there.

Scott stated that with the fine of $25.00, we are finding many repeat violators who donít care, because the fine is reduced by half making it only $12.50. They get a lot of repeat offenders, because they can come down and get half off. Scott said they might even get it warned. However, Carol Prescott explained that the office staff no longer warns these tickets, and they have not done so for several months. They will tell the people they have to appeal them to the Parking Appeals Committee.

Scott also presented an appeals process he wanted to recommend they would have to actually go through, where it would have to go through the captains and director, and an officer, before it would go to the Appeals Committee.

Scott also discussed an idea he got from BYU. The issue of a faculty/staff or student speeding off campus or who runs a stop sign that leaves campus, so Public Safety cannot get them. Then the stop sign from campus to city, sometimes is an ambiguity you donít pursue, but the stop sign was on campus, but comes up to a city street. What this says here with the responsible party is that regardless of who the driver was, the owner of the vehicle is actually responsible for any violations on their vehicles. He felt it would give them great latitude for enforcing different violations on campus. Our policy is that we donít pursue any vehicle off campus. Steve asked, so if they leave campus, youíre going to take the license number and write a citation, but if they arenít student, staff or faculty, we have no authority. Scott agreed we would have no way of making them pay it, but still if they are facult/staff or student, that would give us some great latitude, if they canít speed of campus to get away from us for a violation. So if you didnít get ahold of the actual driver, the owner would be responsible for the vehicle on campus.

The last attachment he had showed BYUís speeding violations, and their fixed fines. The violations that would be a fix it ticket, such as a taillight out, that would be a fix it ticket, and they would just have to come in and show they had fixed the problem.

The other campuses in Idaho are contracted out by their local departments. They write state citations for those universities.

Scott stated what it comes down to is the safety of the people on campus, and the majority of our traffic is people walking to and from class. Eventually, we would probably be doing less traffic stops, because people arenít going to want to get $50 tickets.

Scott presented information from other campuses and city and state, on what they charge for moving violations. Their fines were significantly higher than what our campus charges. Scott presented his proposal for the moving violation citation. Most fines were $50.00. A copy of his proposed citation is available from Public Safety.

Christy stated that with the ability to reduce, they would still only be paying $25.00. Scott stated that no, the reduction would come from the appeals process, which could be reduced by a captain or director, or the officer who issued it. Steve wanted to talk about that. He does not want our staff involved in the appeal process. He prefers it go straight to the appeals committee. Scott said he was just going by the state appeal process. Steve said they donít do that at any law enforcement entity, but the individual can come in and talk to a supervisor, and if the supervisor agrees that the ticket was in error, they can void the ticket. But that is a rare circumstance. Steve prefers that the appeals process that we currently have take care of any appeals. If the Parking Board wants to designate the office staff to have the right to reduce fines in particular areas, we can do that. If you set the fine at $50.00, and you want to allow us some leeway in half price on them, we are happy to do that. But when you start getting up to $50, or some of these others that are $75, $100. Scott stated he was comparing $75-100, people who are going over 25 mph by the state would get a $108.00, where ours could be up to $75.00, or for things like inattentive or reckless driving, that might be considered a misdemeanor.

Steve stated our purpose is not to generate money, specifically. Ours is to acquire compliance. Scott agreed with that.

Christy stated we donít really have enough members today to do business, but we can pass this information on to the other Board Members. Christy stated she would try to contact all Board Members and get input from those who will be here during the summer months, because she would like to see the changes in parking fines taken care of before we order new ones this summer. She will email the members. Steve stated this would have to be done right away, as it has to go to the Presidentís Council for approval, too. Steve stated if we had something by June 15, we could probably get it to the Presidentís staff before the end of June. Then if they agree to it before the first of July, then we could probably include the changes.

Regarding the parking citations, Christy & Jenny were given copies of the current parking citation, and the proposed increases, which most were $25.00.

New Business

I. Issue of Half Price For Studentís Citation

Dee Coburn came before the Board to discuss a citation he had received for alter/forged permit (A $50.00 fine). He stated he was not here to get out of paying it. He stated he realized he did something wrong. He was just trying to save some money, and he stated heís known people who have done it, and have gotten away with it for years. He was willing to take the chance. He was not trying to get out of it.

Mr. Coburn stated that at the bottom of the ticket it says fee is reduced half if paid within 3 working days. He came in within the 3 days to pay his fine. It doesnít say anywhere on the ticket that certain citations are not reduced. If it said that, he would gladly pay the $50.00. But since it says fees reduced half, he didnít see how we could expect the $50.00, if he comes within the 3 days. As clear as we have our laws written in black and white saying that I canít do that, this says that I have, in black and white, that I have the benefit of getting that reduced half. He stated that was all he was here for.

Steve Chatterton wanted Mr. Coburn to know that Christy was the Chairperson. Steve sits on the committee as an advisor to the Board. Steve stated he visited with legal counsel on this question, and asked them just what Mr. Coburn is asking right now. General Counsel stated the rule of law is that if it is written in the code, which it is written in the code, that this is an exception, and we donít reduce this particular ticket by half. Itís written in the code as it is, and that it doesnít matter what it says on the ticket. The rule of law doesnít not require on the ticket form that the issuing agency specify in detail, all of the exceptions that might occur. Mr. Coburn stated that when he first came in, it says here half price, and the office said we donít do that. He said if we could show him something somewhere that you donít do that, Iíll pay the $50.00. It was stated that itís written in the Parking Regulations. Itís been in existence for a long time. Carol Prescott produced the Parking Regulations and showed the regulation to Mr. Coburn. This satisfied Mr. Coburn, and the issue was settled.

Steve stated if the Parking Board asks us to, when we order tickets again, in the summer, we will add a disclaimer of ďsome exceptions may apply.Ē Christy agreed we should add the disclaimer, and this will be done when new citations are ordered.

Because only 2 members showed up, we did not discuss any other issues, and the meeting was adjourned.

Agenda

Parking Board Meeting
Wednesday, October 4, 2000 @ 3:00 p.m.
Public Safety Conference Room

Old Business

I. Regulating Bikes On Campus

II. Raising Permit Fees/Shuttle Bus Service On Campus

III. Giving Grad Students/Teaching Assistants Opportunity to Purchase Reserve Lot Permits

IV. Raising Parking Fines

New Business

I. Adding A Violation For Motorcycles Without Permits To Current Citations

II. Bikes On MLK - Removing Parking on MLK

Parking Board Meeting

Wednesday, October 4, 2000

Members Present at the Meeting

Christy Lauer, Chairperson & COPE Representative Jeanne Blank, CEC Representative Eddy Durfee, Applied Tech Faculty Member Gary Mosier, Academic Student

Non-Members Present at Meeting

Stephen Chatterton, Director Public Safety Carol Prescott, Public Safety (taking minutes)

The meeting was called to order at 3:00 p.m.

Christy Lauer asked if we could change the date of the meeting, as the first Wednesday of every month she had another meeting she had to attend. It was agreed we would change it to the second Wednesday of every month, same time, same place, for this year.

Old Business

I. Regulating Bikes On Campus

Christy recollected the Board had recommended a speed limit for bikes on campus and they were going to start enforcing that. Steve Chatterton said the Bicycle Safety Committee concurred on a speed limit that came to the Parking Board. However, he didnít think weíd had enough Parking Board members at the last meeting to make a decision. Once the Parking Board approves that, then we send a letter to Darrell. Darrell then gets the Presidentís concurrence.

The speed limit was for the Quad only, and was to be 10 mph. Steve recalled the reason we only did a speed limit for the quad, was because this area had the highest congestion of pedestrians. Motion made by Christy Lauer to place a 10 mph speed limit on the Quad, 2nded by Ed Durfee, motion passed.

Grants for bicycle paths - We have not heard back on the grants.

II. Raising Permit Fees/Shuttle Bus Service On Campus

This had to do with the shuttle bus service on campus, adding additional services. We are getting maxed out on the number of students we can provide service to. The buses get very full. The city has offered to give us more buses, and better buses. However, they would like ISU to start paying a larger portion of the costs, than we are currently paying. They want us to actually carry more of our share.

We are talking about $60,000.00 additional. Then they would like us to participate in buying new buses. The match for us would be about $25,000.00. There are 2 buses right now, and we pay the match on those.

At the last meeting it was also asked if the city would provide service out on the south side of town.

We need to come up with the funding for this. Currently, the portion we pay comes out of the parking budget. It will be very hard to come up with the additional $30,000.00. We will either have to raise permit fees, or come up with some other method.

One option that was discussed last year, was to include it in the student fee itself. It would be a charge similar to what we charge for photo ids. All students would pay a small amount for providing bus service on campus.

Steve Chatterton explained that if we raised the parking permits by $5.00, it would generate about $15,000.00 more. All permit prices would be raised, including reserved lots. Permits would have to be raised at least $10.00 across the board just to get close.

Gary Mosier said there are students who donít buy permits, and ride the bus. There are also students who buy permits, but park in one lot, and ride the bus.

Steve also stated that if we fund the buses through student fees, then the $30,000.00 that parking pays right now, would come back to parking, and we would use that, and we would not need to increase parking fees. We would not have a lot of accumulated money. We would be able to use that as match money to replace buses.

Christy stated she would bring current enrollment stats to the next meeting. More information on costs from Ron Binggli will also be provided. Issue was tabled until next meeting, when more info will be available.

III. Giving Grad Students/Teaching Assistants The Opportunity To Purchase Reserve Lot Permits Before Other Students

We were having some scheduling problems last semester. A lot of departments donít have graduate assistants hired up until maybe the first week of August or so. Trying to time that where theyíve got a letter saying the have an opportunity to purchase a reserve lot permit, prior to opening it up to all students, is also a problem. Carol Prescott said we had decided to let the GA/TAís purchase them earlier. However, Scott Morgan never got back with a date. It will be a matter of all departments to do an award letter letting the GA/TAís know they have an opportunity to come down and purchase reserve lot permits prior to that date, and after that date, they fight the same battle all students fight.

Gary Mosier will take this issue to the students, get some input, and let us know what he finds out. Christy will get with the graduate school and see how soon they get their information from the various departments, because they would definitely need something from them.

IV. Raising Parking Fines

The current parking fine structure has not be revised for quite awhile. We also allow the flexibility to reduce most fines by 50% if paid within so many working days. What we are finding is that a majority of students will continue to park without purchasing a permit, because they prefer to pay the Ĺ price fine. Meter fines are $4.00, so if you pay within 3 days, itís only $2.00. Students who donít buy a permit, will park where they need to, take a chance, knowing they can cut the price in half, and itís minimal. The reserve lot fee of $15.00 if paid within 3 days is only $7.50.

Last semester we even had a student who forged a permit ($50.00 fine), because he figured he cut that in half and it was still less than what he would have had to pay for a permit anyway. Steve stated weíve caught some more this semester, including one staff member. However, it is in the regulations that altered/forged permit violations and handicap space violations are not reduced.

It was felt the price of the fees are not high enough to deter faculty/staff and students from misusing parking. However, itís been several years since weíve looked at the fee schedule. We had gathered information last year, as to where we fell in line with some other institutions. We are actually quite low compared to other universities. We arenít going to raise them to the maximum, but bring them up to a level that is comparable to other universities of our size.

We were hoping to make these changes before the new school year, but could not get enough student support to do it. Therefore, it was postponed until this semester.

The money from fines goes into the General Parking Fund. We use those to help pay for the shuttle buses, lot repairs, to pay ticket writers, pave parking lots, etc. Some of the lots that were paved when Steve first got here are once again in need of paving. Christy figured she could look up what we deposited for parking fines, we could come to a rough estimate of the amount received. Then if we bumped fines up 10 or 20 percent, this would be how much more income we are going to come up with. In conjunction with that student fee for the bus, we could do something with the two of these, to come up with the total money for that, as well as operating expenses.

Gary Mosier felt the meter violation was particularly low, especially the altered/forged permit fee is low enough, that they really arenít much of a deterrent. Ed Durfee thought maybe we should get rid of the Ĺ off deal too. You get the fine, you pay the whole $10 or $15 or whatever amount of the fine.

Christy asked each member to look at this, compare it to the survey. See what range you and your constituents would be comfortable with, and we will discuss it again at the next meeting.

New Business

I. Bikes On MLK - Removing Parking On MLK

Steve Chatterton stated at the last Safety Committee meeting we had a complaint from a student who is disabled, who was struck by a bicyclist on Martin Luther King Jr. Way. That incident occurred just prior to the Safety Committee meeting. This disabled student was on the sidewalk when he was struck. Steve recommended that we have the city post the sidewalks, on both sides of MLK, for no bicyclists on the sidewalk. The city agreed they would do that, if it was an official request from the University. The Safety Committee has made the official request, and Darrell has sent that on to the Presidentís staff for review and consideration.

Eddy Durfee asked about the safety of bicyclist having to ride out on MLK, in the traffic. Steve stated the Bicycle Safety Committee strongly felt that was where the bicyclists should be. They would have to obey all city street regulations, such as speed, stop signs, etc. It would be enforced by the city, as ISU Public Safety has no jurisdiction on city streets.

The issue Darrell wanted Steve to bring to the Parking Advisory Board, and in part of his communication with the City Traffic Engineer, was to removing parking on the south side of MLK and creating a bicycle lane. There are parking spaces for about 34 vehicles. The City Traffic Engineer was agreeable to removing the parking on the south side of the street, and creating a bicycle lane. Most of the bicyclists concur that the problem or safety consideration for bicyclists on MLK, is for bicyclists to maintain a safe speed. The City Traffic Engineer said he would have to look at creating 2 way bicycle traffic, but at this time is agreeable to creating at least one on the south side of MLK.

Darrell is has asked that if we are going to entertain this idea, we need to get enough information or lead time to Dental Hygiene, Applied Tech, the Library, some housing residents, and other groups that make use of this area. We have created more parking spaces at Owen/Redfield to accommodate residents at East Hall, in anticipation that we would, at some point in time, turn that into an academic building.

Mr. Durfee was concerned about losing 34 parking spaces, especially ones that are free. Steve stated that at this point in time, we did not want to make any recommendation to the President or City without at least hearing from these people who normally use it. But you have to weigh the safety of the bicyclist with having those 34 parking spaces.

Gary Mosier expressed concerns about bicyclists coming down MLK toward 8th St. When those buses go by, thereís very little room. Steve stated that side was a two-lane roadway, and the bicyclists should actually be using the middle lane, because the buses use the right lane. It would be too dangerous to get the bicyclists over, because it drops off sharply. They would have to utilize the middle of the road, and the buses have the other lane they can use. For the most part bicyclists coming down that hill will travel the posted speed limit of 25 mph. So there should be no reason they would interfere with the buses. They could use the middle of the roadway, and still not slow the buses down.

Steve stated Darrell ask that we take the lead on this, and notify the various departments that would likely use that area for parking, and tell them this is the recommendation, that we are going to have a meeting on such and such a date, and they are welcome to bring their comments to the meeting on this issue.

All members may take this to their constituents. A memo will also be sent to the various departments who would use that parking area, asking for their input. We will give them the option of e-mailing their comments, or coming to the next Parking Advisory Board Meeting.

II Adding A Violation For Motorcycles Without A Permit

Motorcyclists are required to buy a $5.00 decal in order to park their motorcycles in the ISU parking lots. At this time, however, there is not specific violation on our citations for no motorcycle decal. It is usually placed under OTHER for a $10.00 fine. Most motorcyclists are found in the spring and summer semesters, and it was thought maybe we should have a specific violation for no motorcycle decal.

Ed Durfee made the motion to add this violation to our citations when we next order them. Christy and Steve felt we just wanted to make sure this was added to the regulations, that a motorcycle permit is required, and needs to be displayed. The violation may stand as Other, at this time.

All Members present agreed to November 8th for the next meeting. Meeting adjourned.

Agenda

Parking Board Meeting
Wednesday, November 8, 2000 @ 3:00 p.m.
M&O Trailer

Old Business

I. Bikes On MLK - Removing Parking From MLK

II. Raising Permit Fees/ Shuttle Bus Service On Campus

III. Giving Grad Students/TAís The Opportunity To Purchase Reserve Lot Permits

IV. Raising Parking Fines

V. Regulating Bikes On Campus

New Business

No New Business as of this date

Parking Board Meeting

Wednesday, November 8, 2000

Members Present at the Meeting

Christy Lauer, COPE Representative & Chairperson
Jeanne Blank, CEC Representative
Ernest Keeley, Academic Faculty Member
Gary Mosier, Academic Student Member

Non-Members Present at Meeting

Stephen Chatterton, Director Public Safety
Linda Tobias, Public Safety (Taking Minutes)
Blaine Anderson

The meeting was called to order at 3:00 p.m. Minutes from meeting of October 4, 2000 were approved.

Old Business

I. Bikes on MLK - Removing Parking From South side of MLK

There were a few email responses, and if anyone had a chance to look at them, most were not adverse to having the parking removed. They just wanted to make sure we made accommodations for safety of bikes, pedestrians, and to accommodate disabled people who park on MLK. We are looking at that right now. There is 1 disabled space by Dental Hygiene, and it is not utilized that much. We are surveying that for the next 2 weeks to see how much it is utilized, so we have an idea if we would really have a problem removing it. Steve stated he seldom saw anyone parked in that space. If we need to accommodate a disabled space there, then we will work with the city on how to accommodate that.

Also, when the building thatís going in there becomes a reality, that parking will be taken off that street, and the disabled parking will be accommodated in the parking facility there.

Since accommodations would be made for this disabled space, on a temporary basis, it was decided not to wait for the survey to be completed. The information from the survey will still be brought to the Parking Advisory Board at the next meeting. However, a decision can still be made on removing parking on MLK at this time.

No other input from other constituents, students, faculty/staff was received.

Steve stated a recommendation has already been sent to the Presidentís office to prohibit bicycles from being on the sidewalk. We have not heard back from the Presidentís staff on that issue. Once we have approval of that, Steve will have the city traffic engineer take this issue to the city council with our recommend to approve removing parking on the south side of MLK, and creating a bike lane.

The Parking Advisory Board voted to support the recommendation to prohibit bicycles from being on the sidewalk.

II. Raising Permit Fees/Shuttle Bus Service On Campus

IV. Raising Parking Fines

Christy Lauer did a brief analysis, but did not take into consideration how much of the fines we currently lose, because we give them Ĺ off if paid within three working days. She felt that would be a considerable source of revenue if we did away with the Ĺ off deal. It has been discussed that it has not been a detriment to illegal parking, as they feel they donít have to pay a very hefty fine, and will take their chances. If we collected almost $138,000 in fines, if we did away with the Ĺ price fine, we could probably get another $40,000. At this time, there is no way of telling how much revenue is lost from students, faculty/staff only paying Ĺ price on a fine.

Christy stated her feed back from COPE members was that they were adverse to changing the permit structure to pay for this service which is primarily for students. She felt there was more leeway in our fine structure to change/increase those by even 20%. Some of the fine increases we looked at were actually a 100% increase. We could probably raise at least 2/3 of it just by changing/modifying our fee rate, and doing away with the Ĺ off if paid within 3 days.

Christy asked how we currently handle large fine amounts for faculty/staff. We send them letters, tow their vehicles, but we donít have anything in place to make them pay, and often times they will leave without paying the fines. If they leave, we can send them to collections, if they arenít paid.

Steve stated there are some staff people weíve towed several times, that have over $200.00 in fines. They just keep parking and getting towed. A few of them donít even buy a permit, they use their Official Business Pass.

Jeanne Blank felt we should look at the feasibility of a student fee increase and raising the parking fines to produce the revenue for the shuttle bus system. Linda Tobias noted that some schools, they have a $25.00 fine, and then if itís not paid within 3 days it goes up, instead. However, there would probably be greater opposition to that one.

Christy asked Gary if heíd received any feedback from students on paying for the shuttle bus transportation system. Gary felt they might initially oppose it. However, itís really a matter of need. Most people know that at some point their fees are going to have to increase, regardless of objections.

Steve Chatterton felt the students would want to see us looking at the parking fines as a way to make those who are abusing the system pay, rather than those who arenít abusing the system have to come up with it. Christy noted that with a $1.00 full-time student and $.50 part-time student fee increase you would still only get about $28,000 from student fees. Then the balance would come from raising parking fines. If we could get up to $90,000 that would be ideal, then you could give $30,000 back to the city for the shuttle bus service.

Steve noted that the actual cost to maintain all of our parking lots is about $150,000 a year. We are trying to operate on about $30,000 or $40,000 to maintain the parking lots with. You canít do it. We need money back into the maintenance side for the lots.

Christy asked the other members how they felt about changing the fine structure so they wonít have 50% off their fines. It was noted that at this time the only fines that are not Ĺ off are Altered/Forged permit violations ($50.00 fine) and disabled parking violations ($43.50). All others are half off. Meter violations are $4.00 and if they get Ĺ off they only have to pay $2.00.

Christy stated she would get with Eric Lacey and discuss both the student fee change, and modifying the parking fines, to see if he can get some kind of feedback from the Student Senate, or ASISU. She would then bring back information from their discussion to the next Parking Advisory Board meeting.

Steve felt moving violations should be done incrementally, since they are $25.00. We only write tickets if they are a second offense, and the officer has a choice of giving him a warning or writing the ticket.

III. Giving Grad Students/TAís The Opportunity To Purchase Reserve Lot Permits Before Other Students

Gary Mosier stated he spoke with Dr. Paul Tate, who stated he has about 255 graduate students. The question was how to assess this with the students. Mr. Mosier came up with a survey sheet and asked Dr. Tate whether or not it would work. Dr. Tate said theyíd have to make 255 survey sheets and send them to all the departments, with a return address to the Board through Public Safety. Gary did want to make a change to the survey, and add the price of reserve lot permits to the survey.

Christy told him to go ahead and modify the survey, then bring it to her at her office, and she would see about getting some labels made for mailing the surveys.

IV. Raising Parking Fines (See #II - Raising Parking Fees).

V. Regulating Bikes On Campus

Darrell has approved the 10mph speed limit on the Quad, and if we are going to enforce, we need to figure out how. The Parking Advisory Board needs to set a fee for that. Otherwise, we would have to go with the moving violation, and a $25.00 fine. Steve felt a $10.00 find would be more appropriate.

It was decided to have Carol Prescott write a letter to the Bicycle Safety Sub-Committee to get feedback on how to set up the fee structure, and enforcement of the 10mph speed limit on the quad.

Gary Mosier brought up the safety of pedestrians in crosswalks. Itís generally known you should stop for people in crosswalks. Some cars are reluctant to stop. Heís felt them swish by right behind him when heís crossing.

Steve stated the city traffic engineer is working with us on that very issue. He asked that Gary give us specific crosswalks he would like to see addressed, and Steve would talk with the city traffic engineer. We need the feedback to help the engineer decide what additional things he wants to do. On most of the crosswalks, heís put up the new brighter signs. His next step would be to put up the flashing signs, where appropriate. Heís willing to step up each time when other methods are not working, to try and come up with a different idea. One idea is a flashing sign, where the pedestrian comes up and pushes a button to initiate the flashing sign, rather than having it flash all the time. Heís agreeable to those on some of the crosswalks on 5th St.

Gary stated a crosswalk was needed up by the Garrison/Turner towers. Jeanne said the one on Memorial by Vo-Tech was terrible. The bus lets the students out right there, and the students will come out from in front of the bus.

Steve said he has talked to BRMC about making a turnout for the buses in front of BRMC. Out of parking funds, weíve paid for 2 of them. They are about $20,000 each. Thatís a parking lot that doesnít get done. So there is some resistance with money for bus turnouts. He agreed that the bus locations in front of Turner really need to have a turnout on both sides of the street. If he had $80,000 he would put a bunch of them all over campus, but we donít have $80,000.

Steve has talked to BRMC about this a couple of times. What we need is their ok to use their property, and we would pay for the turnout. He felt maybe a letter from the Parking Advisory Board to the BRMC Board would help facilitate that. Also, maybe a recommendation to Darrell that when we ask the DPW for Safety monies, that we include some bus turnouts in some of these locations.

Another thing we are trying to do is make a shortcut at MLK & Memorial for the buses. Instead of stopping at the intersection, we would cut the corner, the bus would pull in there, and then directly out onto MLK. They would not stop at the light. Theyíd pull in there, drop off students, and then continue down MLK. However, the other side of Memorial by Turner, they stop in the roadway, and then the students cross in front of the bus. A turnout would hopefully get the students to not cross in front of the bus.

We will need statistical feedback to provide to the city traffic engineer to establish our justification for doing these things.

Gary Mosier felt drivers were getting into a bad habit and not showing concern for the pedestrians. Steve has stated the city traffic engineer has put up the new pedestrian signs in the worse areas, and wants time to see if those will work, although we all know they probably wonít. We will revisit those areas (5th St, Holt Arena area)with him again, probably next year. However, any other areas they are concerned with, if Gary will email those to us so we have some documentation to take to him, weíll present those other areas to him. He is well aware of 4th & 5th St. Heís been to several of our meetings concerning those areas, and heís willing to look at what we talked about with the initiated pedestrian crossing light. That will be our next step, for at least 5th St. But if we need to do something else at other crosswalks, Gary will need to let us know which ones heíd like to address.

Steve suggested that each organization on the Board ask their groups to maybe make a small donation to getting the pedestrian initiated signs, as they are rather pricey. Then maybe we could help defray the cost of the signs, and stimulate the engineerís willingness to put them up.

New Business

There was no new business to discuss.

The next meeting was set for December 6, 3:00 p.m. at the Public Safety Building.

Agenda

Parking Board Meeting
Wednesday, December 6, 2000 @ 3:00 p.m.
Public Safety Conference Room

Old Business

I. Bikes On MLK - Removing Parking From South Side Of MLK

II. Raising Permit Fees/Parking Fines To Help Defray Cost Of Shuttle Bus Service On Campus

III. Giving Grad Students/TAís The Opportunity To Purchase Reserve Lot Permits

IV. Regulating Bikes On Campus

New Business

I. Memos To Departments Regarding Excess Fines For: Wilson, Neeser, Leonard

Parking Board Meeting

Wednesday, December 6, 2000

Members Present at the Meeting

Christy Lauer, Chairperson & COPE Member
Eddy Durfee, Applied Tech Faculty Member
Ernest Keeley, Academic Faculty Member
Jeanne Blank, CEC Member
Gary Mosier, Academic Student Member

Non-Members Present at Meeting

Stephen Chatterton, Director Public Safety
Linda Tobias, Public Safety (taking minutes)

The meeting was called to order at 3:00 p.m.

Old Business

I. Bikes On MLK

Dr. Bowen has approved eliminating bikes on sidewalks. The issue of the bike lane on MLK was sent to Dr. Bowen, and he has given verbal approval at this time. A letter will be sent to the city traffic engineer.

II. Raising Permit Fees/Parking Fines

Christy stated she had still not been able to meet with Eric Lacey. Mr. Lacey is really difficult to get hold of. If she cannot reach him, she will go to Dr. Covey, and talk with him about it.

III. Survey For Graduate Students To Receive Reserve Lot Permits Before Other Students

Gary Mosier prepared a survey. Christy took over to be printed and the Graduate school will either mail them out to the departments to distribute to the GAís or give us the labels to do that.

IV. Regulating Bikes On Campus

Steve Chatterton stated that we asked for some input from the Bicycle Safety Committee on how we might regulate bikes on campus. They felt the speed limit should be a last resort. They wanted some educational/informational program instead. We came up with some rules of the road suggestions that we are going to put on bicycles this spring to advise people of the speed limit, and to be safe, and not scare pedestrians. Steve spoke with Scott Campbell about signs around the quad and other places around campus to show the 10 mph speed limit, and he is looking into that to see if he can come up with something that would be aesthetically pleasing. He will try to have that ready sometime this spring.

Christy asked if we needed to look at a fine at this point. Steve said heíd leave it up to the Parking Advisory Board. They have a fine called OTHER on the citations now, that if it was a problem, the officers would write it in there. If we want a fine schedule thatís less $25.00 for speeding in the quad, then the Parking Board should probably look at that. Christy stated maybe once we get information on the other fine structure, and we increase those, we can take care of this at the same time, and hopefully be ready with that by next fall.

Steve stated that right now the officers will stop people at 11 or 12 mph, and ask them to slow down. If they catch them a second time, then the option is to give them a ticket or document a warning. By the third time, the officer will write them a ticket. If they are flying along at 20 mph, going around and through people, the officer will stop them and give them a ticket.

Steve said heís seen bicyclists on the quad that are flying. Heís seen them come down MLK through the parking lot at Administration Bldg., flying down that sidewalk, and jumping their bicycles out into the grass. But we have a fine structure in OTHER to put that under.

Christy stated we will be re-ordering tickets anyway, and since we are looking at restructuring the amount of the fines, and whether we will give Ĺ off on fines, we will deal with the bicycle speed limit fine at that time.

Steve felt a $25.00 fine was a bit excessive for speeding on bicycles. He would prefer the Parking Advisory Board set a fine for bicycle speeding. Steve said we would just add it to the regulations, and we would tell the officers, and the office staff would just have them pay the fine the Parking Board suggests. If they fell into the reckless driving category, the officers could certainly write them one for $25.00, but $5.00 to $10.00 would be acceptable for speeding. Correction, Moving Violation is $25.00, Other is $10.00. Christy stated if they got the $10.00 Other, then paid it within 3 working days it would only be $5.00. So if it were reckless driving, it would go under Moving Violation for $25.00.

......asked about whether we currently ask them to register their bikes. It is strictly voluntary at this time. Would it help in the recovery of stolen bicycles, if they were required to register them? Steve stated some Universities require it, but thereís always been some resistance to it here. Weíve talked about making it mandatory, but free. Or maybe require a $1.00 registration fee. But there has not been a strong support for that, in the past. We encourage people to register their bikes, and we have the forms that we give out during check in at the dorms, so they can register their bikes if they want to.

Gary Mosier suggested maybe we give them stickers to place on their bikes to identify them as ISU students, or faculty/staff. Steve stated we could buy the little stickers, like Stores used to use, with the serial number. Eddy asked if they would help in the recover of stolen bikes. But, the stickers are easy to peel off. If that was the purpose, the stickers would probably be peeled off when stolen.

Steve said we usually have around 3-4 bikes stolen per year. Could we use them to identify repeat offenders. Gary was thinking that might be a good way to use them. Steve stated that the way our computer system is set up, when the officers stop them, they give them a written or verbal warning, then that goes into the computer system. This keeps a record of each offense for each person.

Linda Tobias said if they register a bike, the serial number is part of the registration process, we can put the serial number in our computer, and find the bike on campus or with the city. So, if the bike is stolen here, but abandoned out in Chubbuck, we enter it in our computer system here as a stolen bike. Then if Chubbuck finds it, they will look in their computer system, and see that it was stolen from ISU. If you have a serial number, that just makes it even easier.

Jeanne wanted to know where most of the opposition came from. The Bicycle Safety Committee didnít like the idea much. Also, previous students on the Parking Board have opposed it.

This issue was tabled because.....

New Business

I. Memos To Departments Regarding Excess Fines For: Wilson, Neeser & Leonard

Steve said the Parking Regulations are written that you get $50.00 in fines, you get a letter and a tow warning, then if the vehicle is found it can be towed. Sometimes there is a significant lapse in time between getting letters and tow warnings, and the time we find a vehicle and tow it. In the parking provisions, it is provided for us to revoke parking privileges on campus. Then we tow the car. We have done that with students. However, weíve had some ongoing problems with some faculty/staff members. In the past, we have sent letters to faculty/staff revoking their parking privileges on campus, and then we can tow their vehicles anytime we see it.

What we would like to do is have the Parking Advisory Boardís concurrence or feedback on the idea of us sending a letter to the department chair or director, or whoever the supervisor is for the person we are having problems with. This letter would advise them of the number of unpaid fines their employee has, that weíve given them tow letters, tow warnings, and even towed them. We are also advising them that we are revoking their parking privileges on campus, and that their Official Business Pass is not valid on campus. We would send a similar letter to the employee informing them that as of this date, their parking privileges are revoked, and if they park on campus, we will tow their vehicle. The ones in question do not have parking permits, and are using Official Business Passes.

The people in question do not have parking permits, they are using Official Business Passes. They have accumulated $50.00 or more in fines, one as much as $200.00. They have all received tow letters and tow warnings. Sometimes there is a delay between the date they receive those warnings and when we tow them. It could be two months before they finally get towed. They state the warning was two months ago, and didnít think we would still tow their vehicle.

Linda explained that in at least one of these cases, we have found her car, we have called her, asked her to remove it. She moves it and says she will be in to pay her fines, but never does. Has never had a permit, and uses the Official Business Pass to park. We have even towed her car approximately 3 times.

The members of the Board did not have a problem notifying department heads not to let these people use the Official Business Pass, because they cannot park on campus. We could possibly revoke the departmentís use of OFB passes, if necessary. They did not feel comfortable telling the department head the amount of fines these people owe.

Linda said 2 were staff members, one was a coach. The problem with the coaches that makes it really tough is that there are approximately 11-22 vehicles provided to the athletic department for use by the coaches. They all have dealer plates, and they switch those cars out about every 3-4 months. Itís who they are being assigned to that is hard to keep track of.

Steve stated the tow warning letter is fairly soft. What we are suggesting is that in cases where it appears weíve done the tow letters, warnings, and towed their car, is not going to work. We want to come back with a much stronger letter stating their parking privileges are revoked, do not park the vehicle on campus or you will be towed. We want to make it clear to the department head that there is a problem, and we no longer want them using the official business pass. We also want to make it clear to the employee that if their car is on campus, until this is reconciled with our department, if the car is on campus, it will be towed.

Eddy Durfee wanted to know if we would have to change any regulations? Steve said we would not have to do that. We need the Parking Advisory Board to authorize the Parking Office to send letters of revocation of parking privileges to those have more than $50.00 in fines, and are not reconciling them with the Parking Office. The tow warning letter suggests their parking privileges may be revoked. We want to send one that says they are revoked.

Steve said what the letter would state is ďas of such and such a date, your parking privileges are revoked, and your Official Business Pass is not valid....Ē Then we would ask them to come in by a certain date, or the vehicle would be towed.

Christy asked that we do some sample letters and bring them to the next Board Meeting.

II. Changing Date Of Parking Advisory Board Meetings

Christy stated they needed to discuss changing the date of the Parking Advisory Board meeting to either a Tuesday or Thursday afternoon. Christy is going to work on this, and will let everyone know when the next meeting will be.

Meeting adjourned.

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